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yet the economy is -- the real economy is trading somewhat off its highs. if you look at europe, for example, where the headlines have been negative. the news flow has been awful. performance has been awful as well. so the market in europe has more reflected the performance of the real economy than it has here in the u.s. the fed qe program, the safe haven of the u.s. has caused money to flow to this part of the world. i think that leaves the u.s. a little pricier and perhaps more of a risk. >> it takes courage to fight the fed, though, right? >> absolutely. but ultimately and jack said it, fundamentals do matter. i think the market will reflect those. >> i heard active management does better in down markets than the index. they do better in the up markets. >> no question about it. and if you looked at the '08 to first quarter of '09 period, many people left them, haven't come back. god forbid we have another experience like that. then you'll see the index funds have a hard time recapturing the momentum. >> you see a blend of active and passive? >> i think
yet the economy is -- the real economy is trading somewhat off its highs. if you look at europe, for example, where the headlines have been negative. the news flow has been awful. performance has been awful as well. so the market in europe has more reflected the performance of the real economy than it has here in the u.s. the fed qe program, the safe haven of the u.s. has caused money to flow to this part of the world. i think that leaves the u.s. a little pricier and perhaps more of a risk....
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economy questioned, that kind of drop in confidence has the potential to create the next financial collapse. of course, so does unchecked runaway spending. so, it seems clear, neither is a good option. it's hope washington realizes this. quick check on the markets and it was a mixed day. the dow jones up 18 points. nasdaq down 8. s&p 500 down 1.37 points. the real stock of the day was dell. it is higher today on reports that it is in talks over a possible buyout by private equity firms. take a look. the stock rallied almost 13%. that will do it for us. thank you for being with us. hope you'll follow me on twitter and google plus. stay with cnbc, because "fast money" begins right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's times square. i'm melissa lee. sour apples. shares of the iphone maker slide. is apple turning into forbidden fruit? the mystery event. what facebook could be unveiling in less than 24 hours. we're in countdown mode with one of its biggest investors. and the great rotation into stocks heating up. we get the likely impact. first, our top story. apple shares
economy questioned, that kind of drop in confidence has the potential to create the next financial collapse. of course, so does unchecked runaway spending. so, it seems clear, neither is a good option. it's hope washington realizes this. quick check on the markets and it was a mixed day. the dow jones up 18 points. nasdaq down 8. s&p 500 down 1.37 points. the real stock of the day was dell. it is higher today on reports that it is in talks over a possible buyout by private equity firms....
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rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. you name it...i've hooked it. but there's one... one that's always eluded me. thought i had it in the blizzard of '93. ha! never even came close. sometimes, i actually think it's mocking me. [ engine revs ] what?! quattro!!!!! ♪ >>> welcome back to "power lunch." just when you thought he wouldn't channel his inner steve jobs, he has. he's come back to the stage to say one more thing. facebook has a partnership with microsoft's bing. how interesting is that? we'll see what they're doing here. if nothing fits the querrey from the graph search, you can go to the web do a web search on bing, and that is microsoft's key their there. those shares are likely to beive between now and the next couple of hours. even in the afte
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chances are the economy is going to get better. wouldn't that make you want to buy stocks right now. >> it does. we're not -- we're actually a little bit more bullish, esespecially the first six months of the year. we still are expecting slow growth, commodities where we're shorting assets, but in terms of u.s. and in terms of international, we do expect growth, and we are excited about what's happening, but later on in the year i think it's going to be another story. >> what do you mean by that, later on in the year? what's going to be the upset later on in the year? >> there's a lot more issues coming out in terms of europe later in the year. right now it's all about -- it's all about expectations of positive growth that we have in the u.s., but, you know, we still have issues, and investors have got to focus on -- we've got an incredible spending problem. there's still problems in europe so we don't really believe that this year is going to be like last year, but we do expect small positive returns though. >> rick santelli, i wa
chances are the economy is going to get better. wouldn't that make you want to buy stocks right now. >> it does. we're not -- we're actually a little bit more bullish, esespecially the first six months of the year. we still are expecting slow growth, commodities where we're shorting assets, but in terms of u.s. and in terms of international, we do expect growth, and we are excited about what's happening, but later on in the year i think it's going to be another story. >> what do you...
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economy is being under valued. $1.4 trillion is the run-up and i expect the u.s. to outperform again. >> joey? >> i think the u.s. continues to do well and the ultimate indicator is where volatility is. it's incredibly cheap and remains -- insurance can be provided to protect your portfolio. i don't think that the ultimate concerns that the people have. >> we've got news on germany and the german economy, gdp is contracting. it was down half of a percent. in 011 it was up 3% n 2012 it was up .7%. they are the engine for growth there. i'm not sure it's going to work out for you in the first half of the year. for europe, i don't think it's undervalued. it's had a great run into the u.s. >> two major banks report earnings tomorrow. much of the conversation that we're having today certainly directed to what is going on with the banks and what it could mean for the markets. jpmorgan, goldman, ahead of the market tomorrow. joe t., you take yours? >> my position has been goldman sachs, be morgan stanley. it's been that way for a long time. i like the marketplace here. i
economy is being under valued. $1.4 trillion is the run-up and i expect the u.s. to outperform again. >> joey? >> i think the u.s. continues to do well and the ultimate indicator is where volatility is. it's incredibly cheap and remains -- insurance can be provided to protect your portfolio. i don't think that the ultimate concerns that the people have. >> we've got news on germany and the german economy, gdp is contracting. it was down half of a percent. in 011 it was up 3% n...
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the fed is spending 6% more m-2 every year and that's helping the economy. but the real driver of growth is technology. it's the entrepreneur. it's the innovator. it's the creator. we have the cloud, the spark phone, attacking all of these great new technologies and that's what i try to draw investors' focus on. let's not pay so much attention to what government is doing. let's look at what is causing growth underneath, what has always caused growth and that's entrepreneurial activity, innovation, and activity. we have a lot of it going on right now. >> finally, brian, housing is turning into a pretty nice tail wind here. i wonder, though, you see the ten-year at 285. >> right. >> how much can the market withstand if the 30-year mortgage continues to tick up? >> when we go back to the early 1990s when housing was pretty strong, interest rates were a lot higher than they were today. i think the fed is artificially holding rates down. we could have the federal funds rate at 2, 2 1/2 without any harm to the economy. we could take the ten-year treasury up to 3,
the fed is spending 6% more m-2 every year and that's helping the economy. but the real driver of growth is technology. it's the entrepreneur. it's the innovator. it's the creator. we have the cloud, the spark phone, attacking all of these great new technologies and that's what i try to draw investors' focus on. let's not pay so much attention to what government is doing. let's look at what is causing growth underneath, what has always caused growth and that's entrepreneurial activity,...
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is this going to impact the broad economy and the earnings season, do you think? >> i guess this whole political thing is -- these are all the bricks in the wall of worry that equity markets are continuing to climb. i think there's -- you know, we know how to talk about these things, they're out there, they're visible, they're in the media a lot. you know, we follow them i think sometimes like a sport. and so maybe we exaggerate a little bit how much the -- these political match nations -- i don't know i don't want to minimize them, but i think sometimes we miss the point there are really good companies out there who figured out how to make really good money with all this political noise going on. >> and yet, greg, so many potholes ahead. you know we're going to see a lot of back and forth over raising the debt ceiling. sequestration is still on the horizon now. less than two months away. the continuing resolution. i want you to take a listen to the president's spokesperson this week on the debt ceiling, get your reaction to that. >> sure. >> he will not negotiate
is this going to impact the broad economy and the earnings season, do you think? >> i guess this whole political thing is -- these are all the bricks in the wall of worry that equity markets are continuing to climb. i think there's -- you know, we know how to talk about these things, they're out there, they're visible, they're in the media a lot. you know, we follow them i think sometimes like a sport. and so maybe we exaggerate a little bit how much the -- these political match nations...
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it would be a self-inflicted wound on the economy. it would slow down our growth, might tip us into recession, and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. as the speaker said two years ago, it would be, and i'm quoting, speaker boehner now, a finance ral disaster not only for us but for the worldwide economy. so we've got to pay our bills. and republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is running short. the last time republicans in congress even flirted with this idea our aaa credit
it would be a self-inflicted wound on the economy. it would slow down our growth, might tip us into recession, and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. as the speaker said two years ago, it would be, and i'm quoting, speaker boehner now, a finance ral disaster not only for us but for the worldwide economy. so we've got to pay our bills. and republicans...
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economy st. at risk. it's tuesday, january 15th, 2013 and "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning, everybody. welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm becky quick along with joe kernen and andrew ross sorkin. we've been watching the u.s. equity futures and at least at this point you can see they do look like they're indicated to open a little lower. right now, dow futures down by about 16 points below fair value. the s&p futures are about 2 points below fair value. we have some different nebs going on at the top of the screen than we do on that fair value board. we'll check on that, as well. >>> dell is said to be in talks with private companies in reports of a possible guyout. the journal says jpmorgan is involved in the negotiations. dell shares have been soaring near an eight-month high on first word of this news yesterday. you can see up about close to 2% to the premarket sales. 64 is the last dip. in other technology news, facebook is holing a press conference today. no word on what the big
economy st. at risk. it's tuesday, january 15th, 2013 and "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning, everybody. welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm becky quick along with joe kernen and andrew ross sorkin. we've been watching the u.s. equity futures and at least at this point you can see they do look like they're indicated to open a little lower. right now, dow futures down by about 16 points below fair value. the s&p futures are about 2 points below...
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the economy will be picking up. housing likely to get in on it. >> maybe we're actually breaking -- maybe the valuations aren't -- >> based on what? >> come on, under wells fargo? >> michael dell, and suddenly, mr. skeptic -- >> overheated debt market, that's always a good sign for an economy. that's always a sign that things are getting a lot better. >> it's been getting overheated since 1979. >> big lbos. that worked out real well. no, i'm just -- there's housing, sales of pickups. sales of cars in europe for 2012, not so good. we'll talk about that. >> germany, the bmw sales, volkswagen sales. one of my cousins in mexico is near a bmw, new plant. the germans are down. they're buying like crazy. germany business, good. rest of the continent okay. ford cutting back very dramatically. >> boeing, more problems related to the dreamliner. japanese grounded their 787 for safety checks. the national transportation safety board, faa are going to japan to assess that incident. when the first problems arose last week, week
the economy will be picking up. housing likely to get in on it. >> maybe we're actually breaking -- maybe the valuations aren't -- >> based on what? >> come on, under wells fargo? >> michael dell, and suddenly, mr. skeptic -- >> overheated debt market, that's always a good sign for an economy. that's always a sign that things are getting a lot better. >> it's been getting overheated since 1979. >> big lbos. that worked out real well. no, i'm just --...
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economy. so guess what? the stock market is up as the consensus earnings estimate has come down. and so the bear aurchlt lacks an intellectual continuity where they were right on the earnings estimates come down, but they've goes to explain. so you think the as specs further identity are improving as we got past the tax cliff. we're going to get past the spending clip in an ugly way. you have to depend on washington, d.c. to give you some banana republic action before we get to the middle of 2013. but in the middle of 2013, we'll know what all of the rules are. and i think the capital spending orders are going to come back and reinforce the housing improvement that you described as well as a pretty good auto market. >> we are talking all day today because everybody got their paycheck and it is definitely smaller. it's always smaller t beginning of the year. but is there any way that there is a headwind from people just not having as much money? >> yes, there's a headwind for the economy and we
economy. so guess what? the stock market is up as the consensus earnings estimate has come down. and so the bear aurchlt lacks an intellectual continuity where they were right on the earnings estimates come down, but they've goes to explain. so you think the as specs further identity are improving as we got past the tax cliff. we're going to get past the spending clip in an ugly way. you have to depend on washington, d.c. to give you some banana republic action before we get to the middle of...
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economy is recovering. the u.s. consumer has delevered, has got more confidence in the system. we're past the election. the u.s. economy is recovering. that's unmistakable. the speed of it still remains to be determined. but we're recovering. china leadership happened. china will support the growth in that economy and they will drive domestic demand. europe is not getting worse. and there are signs of green shoots even in japan at this point. >> all right. >> and then you've got all the brazil and indonesia which are still exciting stories. i feel good about where the world is heading. is it on a bull streak? no. but is it on a firmer footing? yes. as a long-term investor i care about firm footing. >> some day we will go through 15,000 on the dow, and then 16,000. and then 17,000. >> yeah. >> i mean i just wonder is that within the next couple of years? i mean it's about time. it's been -- we went from 800 to 14,000. and we haven't moved from 14,000 in like 10, 12 years. >> my father always says a journey of a thous
economy is recovering. the u.s. consumer has delevered, has got more confidence in the system. we're past the election. the u.s. economy is recovering. that's unmistakable. the speed of it still remains to be determined. but we're recovering. china leadership happened. china will support the growth in that economy and they will drive domestic demand. europe is not getting worse. and there are signs of green shoots even in japan at this point. >> all right. >> and then you've got all...
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we'll get an indication of where the economy is going and where it's been. volatility, people also watching apple k. it regain $500, that's been, you know, a lot of chatter here and there. and then on the equities side, 1471.25 on s&p futures the high back a few days ago. if we could break through the level, you will see increased fund flows, more money coming to the market to the long side. and it seems like, you know, i'm really -- surprised because the debt ceiling concern and talks, it's been pretty much nonexistent on the industrial -- >> the markets at fresh five-year highs. >> yeah. it's all because we had the fiscal cliff. and it was so volatile coming into it. we saw some massive swings and massive breakdowns coming into it. it seemed like the market was all over the place. with the debt ceiling, everyone thinks they'll kick the can, raise the debt ceiling up, or get resolved within -- >> that mean the market's at risk? it would seem yes, right? >> see, if you -- my opinion of what will happen is if there's any small breakdown in it, you know, if th
we'll get an indication of where the economy is going and where it's been. volatility, people also watching apple k. it regain $500, that's been, you know, a lot of chatter here and there. and then on the equities side, 1471.25 on s&p futures the high back a few days ago. if we could break through the level, you will see increased fund flows, more money coming to the market to the long side. and it seems like, you know, i'm really -- surprised because the debt ceiling concern and talks,...